Wednesday, March 07, 2007

The PLAN!

There's a long article with a bunch of quotes from Stan Kasten, Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz in today's WaPo about what worked in Atlanta. It's a decent enough story, even if it seems like old hat to us obsessives.

The interesting thing about it, though, is the revisionism in some of it. If you missed it a few weeks ago, I'd strongly urge you to check out Federal Baseball's look at the plan, and how despite what the Kasten, Cox et al are saying, that the team really did try to bring in big-money free agents and make splashes with veteran players. It's a long post, but it uses reports written at the time to show that serendipity played a pretty big role in the process.

It's interesting, too, how much the Big Three are being overlooked. Glavine, Smoltz and Avery (later Maddux), are an amazing group of pitchers that no amount of planning can conjure up out of thin air. After Billy Beane wrote "Moneyball," a number of baseball insiders (notably a few with ties to the Braves organization) derided it, pointing out that Beane got lucky with three big pitchers: Zito, Mulder and Hudson. Notice any parallels?

If all this plan talk hasn't bored you to tears, check out Banks of the Anacostia's look at the etymology of "The PLAN!" It features this wonderful observation, which really ties together the Svrluga article, Federal Baseball's piece and anything anyone else has ever written on the topic.
At the end of the day, "The Plan ©®™" is a convenient rhetorical device that encapsulates the rebuilding of the farm and whatever else the user at the time wants it to mean.

Empty rhetorical phrases being bandied about on the internet? Say it ain't so!

10 Comments:

  • the most important thing about the plan? It ;eads to the nickname Stan "the Plan" Kasten.

    By Blogger Harper, at 3/07/2007 11:35 PM  

  • I am glad to see the PLAN (from the Stan) is finally being looked at with something other than thank god we have a team, any team with do, glasses.

    Do spring training records tell us anything?

    Well of the 6 teams with ONLY ONE WIN so far......all were way under .500 and last and last in their division at the end of last year, except for the CUBS....only the CUBS with our best player (surprise Stan!) have improved their standing this spring. We are stuck with PIT, TB, SEA, FL, SEA and MIN.....with 1 WIN.

    What did Jim B say the other day on MSN about how the NATS are “right now a BIG Market team and can compete with BIG Market teams”.....I guess that is the difference between CAN and THE PLAN!

    By Blogger JayB, at 3/08/2007 6:54 AM  

  • In looking at the "Big 3" of the Braves all of them look like an endorsement of THE PLAN.

    Avery was a 1st Round pick and Glavine a 2nd Rounder. Smoltz was traded from DET 2 years after getting drafted in the 22nd round so he wasn't that far along in his development.

    Drafting or trading for young talent and developing it internally would seem consistent with the vision we have been sold all along by Kasten.

    I'm not disputing Federal's well thought-out treatise on the ATL's dalliances with free agency but using the Big Three works against the point trying to be made about THE PLAN.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3/08/2007 9:31 AM  

  • Well, I'm glad that Kasten and his talent evaluators have the ability (apparently just as Billy Beane does) to just be able to select Hall-of-Fame pitchers in the Amateur Draft with a snap of their fingers.

    Now wonder Atlanta and Oakland are so good!

    Sarcasm, aside, "Let's draft HOF pitchers" isn't a plan. It's luck.

    Building up a farm system and getting league average production for minimal prices IS a plan, and it's a good one. But nobody drafts a Pujols or a Glavine. They're sent down randomly by the Gods.

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 3/08/2007 9:36 AM  

  • And the point Federal Baseball was making about the plan in Atlanta is that there's some revisionist history going on.

    They've talked about how they didn't make any FA signings until Maddux -- and that was after they had already made some progress.

    Yet, that Federal Baseball piece shows that the reality was a bit different. They DID try to go after some FA pieces much earlier than that -- and not just the complimentary guys that we wax nostalgic about: Pendleton, Bream, etc.

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 3/08/2007 9:40 AM  

  • except, of course, that Billy Beane did not write Moneyball.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3/08/2007 10:29 AM  

  • That's not what Joe Morgan told me.

    and Joe Morgan is never wrong.

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 3/08/2007 10:30 AM  

  • I apologize to bring up a bad topic but what draft pick(s) were the Nats awarded for Sori? I still can not believe we never traded him and yes, I still want to beat the dead horse, aka Bowden. I believe Kasten is a solid baseball man but the "plan" and all articles about the "plan" are pure nauseating. Slogan for 07, wait until 08 plan! Great.

    By Blogger Mac G, at 3/08/2007 11:17 AM  

  • We got a sandwich pick ~31 or so. And the Cubs' second round pick.

    I still don't think it was a mistake in not trading him, especially given that the best offers for him apparently weren't actually offered.

    The two picks in Rizzo's hands, are likely better than two B- prospects.

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 3/08/2007 11:19 AM  

  • Nats should have paid for Sori. He is a star that will play well into his late 30's at a super star level.

    How much better would we be with him and we are NOT spending over $30 Mil from last year on anything right now. How would this hurt PLAN hurt?

    Learners and Stan were cheap and wrong not to sign him. I think they have made a poor judgment our fans...RFK will be lucky to have 5,000 fans in August and September. Ugly

    By Blogger JayB, at 3/08/2007 7:45 PM  

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