Capitol Punishment: Wayne Krivsky Can Go To Hell--A Washington Nationals Blog

Monday, August 07, 2006

Wayne Krivsky Can Go To Hell

The Reds put Gary Majewski on the DL today, and started to raise a stink about the Nationals hiding medical information on Majewski from them. They're idiots.

Before learning the results of Majewski's MRI exam, Reds General Manager Wayne Krivsky indicated the Reds were exploring their options for recourse, in case it could be proven the Nationals had hidden Majewski's injury.

"We're going to look at the MRI, then go through the proper channels and use the proper protocol," he told reporters. Asked whether the Reds had checked out Majewski's health before the trade, Krivsky said the team's medical staff had exchanged information with their Nationals' counterparts.

However, after learning the results of the MRI exam, Krivsky backed down. "I'm not going to talk about anything that was done before the trade, what was said, what wasn't said, what was exchanged, and all that," he said.

If Krivsky didn't realize that Majewski might've been overworked, he's a fool, and his scouts should be fired. Further, if he didn't realize that Majewski had arm trouble then, well, I guess he's a fool too.

This wasn't a state secret.

The incomparable Bill Ladson reported it on 5/7/06.

Don't trust Bill Ladson? Fine. How about Barry Svrluga and the Washington Post? The Post even helpfully bolded and made a subheadline of "Majewski Has Tendinitis" to make it easy for people with ADD. Krivsky, who's a busy man, no doubt, wouldn't even have to read the whole feckin' thing!

If that wasn't enough, Krivsky and his crack staff could've asked Majewski himself. He wasn't shy talking about it in this piece he coughwrotecough himself.

The trade isn't popular, and the complete implosion of Gary Majewski makes it look even worse. It seems like this is as much an attempt to deflect some of the attention and responsibility on that to Cinci's old whipping boy, Jim Bowden. "Golly, that leather-panted Huckster cheated us again!" (And on this Red Reporter thread, some of them are falling for it.)

Screw that.

This wasn't a deadline deal made with 10 minutes to spare. There was plenty of time for a full evaluation, and for some hack intern in his staff to run a cursory google search. Ignorance doesn't excuse incompetence.

56 Comments:

Sour grapes on Krivsky's part now that he realizes Majewski isn't the pitcher he thought he was getting in trading Kearns and Lopez. Next thing the Reds are gonna complain about is Royce Clayton's poor batting.

By Anonymous, at 8/08/2006 9:05 AM
What's really funny about all the griping on the Reds part, is that Dr. Kremcheck, their team doctor, is ALSO the NATIONALS TEAM DOCTOR!! If Krivsky didn't even ask Kremcheck, then the Reds are just plain stupid.

By Screech's Best Friend, at 8/08/2006 10:32 AM
Actually, Dr. Benjamin Shaffer is the Nationals head team doctor, and Dr. Kremcheck is a consultant (though I don't see Dr. Kremcheck's name among the list of doctors the Nationals employee).

Krivsky should have still asked Kremcheck.

By Michael Briggs, at 8/08/2006 10:42 AM
I don't get it, what about Majewski has changed since he left here? He still serves up BP in the late innings and, as Needham pointed out so clearly, he was overworked before the season even started.

By BristowNats, at 8/08/2006 10:43 AM
Reds fans are falling for it because of articles like this one by John Fay of The Enquirer.

I particularly enjoyed these jewels in the article:

About the injury/tendinitis - But the Reds did not know it - until Majewski told them Monday morning.

The bout with tendinitis was news to the Reds.

It's doubtful the Reds would have made the trade if they knew Majewski was going to go on the DL on the day the biggest series of the season started.

I think that last one is my favorite. You know, since some how the Nationals knew Majewski would go on the DL right before the "biggest series" of the season, but they decided to keep that from the Reds.

By juan, at 8/08/2006 1:29 PM
Actually, I guess we're "falling for it" because of stuff like this:

The bad feelings continued Tuesday among Reds officials over Monday’s disclosure that relief pitcher Gary Majewski, who has been sent to the disabled list, took a cortisone shot for tendonitis in his shoulder just days before being traded to Cincinnati from the Washington Nationals.

Reds officials are angry that they were not told of the cortisone shot, and the club may file a grievance over the trade.

The Reds’ medical director, Dr. Tim Kremchek, said on Tuesday that the team would have taken a closer look at Majewski’s health before completing the July 13 eight-player deal that sent Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez to the Nationals.

[...]

Kremchek said Majewski was told to keep quiet before the trade.

"The troubling thing about this as much as anything … was (Majewski) was told to keep it under the radar," Kremchek said.

"We asked him if he was OK, he said, 'Yeah, I'm all right.'"

Red Reporter

By JD, at 8/08/2006 3:10 PM
There's certainly something if team officials denied him being hurt or didn't say anything, but a cursory look at his pitching workload and any site that has player news would easily show the injury.

Kremchek seems like he's in CYA mode here. He's saying that the player never told them. Duh. How often do players readily admit having arm problems anyway? Now, if he was instructed not to mention the cortisone, that's something else, but it's not clear that that happend or that Majewski told Kremchek specifically that that's what happened anyway.

Kremchek wouldn't have known about the tendinitis in the first place, as he was not the person they consulted with when it first showed up in May.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 3:19 PM
So let me get this straight:

You call Wayne Krivsky stupid after Gary Majewski comes to the Reds, pitches very poorly, and is then quickly put on the disabled list.

Wouldn't it be more stupid of Wayne Krivsky to NOT explore the option of compensation?

What if this happened: Let's say Felipe Lopez was on the disabled list the first week of the season for a pulled hamstring. Then, he bounces back and does very well until the time of the trade. However, in one of the days just before the trade, he reported to the team trainer that he had a tender hamstring. When asked he felt good enough to play, he said, "Yes." Then, in the second week after the trade, his hamstring tears, and he's out for the season. Meanwhile, Gary Majewski is throwing several solid performances as Lopez is out for the year with an injury that was probably related to an unrevealed condition before the trade? My guess is that you'd be calling Krivsky a cheat/liar.

By camisadelgolf, at 8/08/2006 4:53 PM
Guess what you want.

Comparing someone's hamstrings to a pitcher's shoulder isn't the point.

The point I was making was that it's completely silly for Krivsky's side to claim that they had no way of knowing that Majewski was injured when he could've had an intern sit down for 10 minutes and show that he had rotator cuff tendinitis.

Now if it turns out that they specifically asked the Nats about that and the Nats lied, then, yes, I'm wrong. But I don't see that now. I just see Kremchik, who never saw Majewski for the tendinitis initially, because he's not the team's primary physician, saying that he never knew. Well, duh. And he's also saying that Majewski didn't say anything either -- and that's nothing unusual as players rarely admit when they're hurt.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 5:00 PM
Okay, let's say Krivsky's an idiot and didn't see the obvious, that Majewski was injured. If it's so obvious that Majewski was injured beforehand, then Bowden must have knowingly dealt damaged goods to the Reds, a blatant violation of the rules. In that case, Krivsky's stupid, and Bowden's a cheater.

Oh, and the last I checked, Krivsky took last year's fourth-worst team in the National League and got them tied for wild card position without even having a full offseason. Meanwhile, the Nationals, who unlike the Reds, didn't have a losing season last season, are in last place. Yeah, Krivsky must be REALLY STUPID. I hope you enjoy Felipe Lopez's errors while Brandon Phillips is in the All-Star game next year.

By camisadelgolf, at 8/08/2006 5:26 PM
If you want to discuss the issues here, that's fine. If you want a fanboy "My dick is bigger than yours" rant, take it to another forum.

Majewski was pitching fine through the tendinitis with the Nats. It was a calculated risk by Krivsky that didn't work. He's doing what anyone in his position would do, deflecting some of the blame.

The only way I'll have a problem with what the Nats did is if they did lie when asked about the condition of his shoulder.... and there's no real direct indication that the Nats were asked about it.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 5:32 PM
Okay, granted, it was a calculated risk. However, the bottom line is, if the injury was as obvious as you say it is, Bowden must have known about it and therefore, knowingly dealt damaged goods. It may have been a stupid (I think a better term would be 'overly-optimistic') move on Krivsky's part, but it also might have been a violation of MLB rules, and therefore, the Nationals are liable for whatever repercussions the violation entails.

Only time will tell, and probably nothing will come of this, so there isn't much point in arguing about it, but the rules are the rules, and an argument can be made that Bowden broke them.

And if you want to call Krivsky stupid for making the deal, that's understandable--the overwhelming majority of people will agree with you. However, it's not fair to call Krivsky stupid for looking into getting compensation. It's not like he's screaming bloody murder or anything--he just said he was looking into it.

By camisadelgolf, at 8/08/2006 5:54 PM
Krecheck's comments seem like the biggest deal to me, but they are totally confusing. How would Majewski have lied (under team instruction) to the Reds before the trade -- how would he have even talked to the Reds? Or is he just saying that the Nationals told him in general not to tell the press he had received a particular treatment. My guess is that is a pretty common, and seems like not a big deal. But man, Kremchek really puts a nefarious spin on things. Either he's right, and the team should be ashamed, or he's fudging, and the team should themselves sever relations.

By Sam, at 8/08/2006 6:11 PM
Kremchek's quote is probably being taken out of context a bit and made to look like something it isn't. As for Majewski, he probably knew that he was having issues, but he probably also didn't think he was going to go to the disabled list.

By camisadelgolf, at 8/08/2006 6:23 PM
For what it's worth, I sort of defended the trade from the Reds' side.

They got screwed on the talent they gave up, but their 25-man roster might've been better after the trade than before it. Of course I wasn't counting on Denofria sucking or Majewski's arm falling off either.

So I'm stupid like Wayne! ;)

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 6:57 PM
Reds fan here. What Krivsky is upset about is

1)that the NATIONALS training staff told us Majewski was fine before the trade.

2)Bowden told Krivsky there were no medical issues with Majewski

3)Majewski admitted that he was told to keep quiet about it by the Nationals.

It's not like Krivsky didn't ask, it's just that Bowden - big suprise here - LIED. Pokey Reese once said it perfectly - You know Bowden's lying if his lips are moving...

By Will, at 8/08/2006 8:39 PM
1) Majewski _was_ fine right before the trade. We don't know how that exchange went, but Majewski was pitching ok for the Nats -- at least since they sat him for a few games back in May.

2) We don't know the exact content of that conversation. Again, the tendinitis was a problem from earlier in the year. The Reds can't claim ignorance over the injury, since it was common knowledge.

3) We definitely don't know this. If you read that Enquirer piece, it's very vague, and it really doesn't pass the smell test.

Majewski, by all accounts, was stunned by the trade. I doubt that he'd keep quiet before the trade, because he didn't know about the trade until after it had been conducted. It's not like the Reds brought him in and kicked the tires.

Kremchek sounds like he's just throwing stuff out there. Again, read his quotes on that very carefully. He doesn't sound really like he knows what he's talking about that in this case.

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I don't like defending Bowden. I can't stand the guy, even as he's done a pretty good job lately. If they were asked about that specific injury and he lied, then, yes, nail the crap out of him. But as far as the Nats were concerned, he was ok. They certainly weren't taking it easy on him -- look at his workload.

At a certain point, when you're working with contracts and players worth as much as this, you need to have an intern research this stuff. You don't need to have a clip file on every player in the league, but sites like rotoworld keep extensive injury histories on EVERY player in the game. 3 minutes on one of those sites, and the Reds would've known to ask Bowden about it. It doesn't seem like they did that.

When/if Majewski's healthy, you guys will like him. He's a fun guy, rarely gives up homers, and gets the job far more often than not.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 8:47 PM
Actually, we know those three things thanks to the Reds Hall of Fame broadcaster Marty Brennaman, who informed us in tonight's broadcast in the second inning interview of one of the local beat reporters.

Majewski was NOT fine right before the trade per his own words and the cortisone shot he received just days before the trade.

By Will, at 8/08/2006 9:01 PM
also, MLB rules require full disclosure for trades. That fully explains why the Reds didn't use the media to research.

By Will, at 8/08/2006 9:03 PM
Sure, Hall of Famer Marty Brennaman is going to give Jim Bowden the benefit of the doubt. Marty might be right, but I wouldn't take his word on Bowden anymore than I'd take Bowden's word on anything. Marty, rightly or wrongly, hasn't missed a chance to rip Bowden over the last 10 years.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 9:03 PM
There's a lot of conjecture going on at this point, and lots of assumptions being made (by me included). But based on the facts that I've seen so far, the Reds need to take some of the blame.

It'd be nice, too, if the Reds diagnosed Majewski's injury as rotator cuff tendinitis, which is what he suffered from before. Kremchek would only diagnose 'fatigue' which is often the same thing, but it's possible, too, that it's a separate injury. The guy's been overused for two years. That's not surprising.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 9:07 PM
It's not just Marty. I don't expect the Reds to take any blame when the Nationals broke the rules. The Reds had no reason to not trust the information they got.

It's simple - The Nats withheld information. That's against the rules. To blame the Reds would be like blaming you for Barry Bonds' steroid use.

By Will, at 8/08/2006 9:13 PM
Again, we're still waiting on some facts. I'm not convinced that Marty has most of them -- or that he'd be inclined to give Bowden the benefit of the doubt on anything.

IF you look at the timestamp of this original post, it was written plast night before other things started coming in. If Bowden did withhold medical opinions -- and it's still not entirely clear that that's exactly what happened -- then he was in the wrong.

But the post was a reaction to Krivsky's comments that they had no way of knowing that Majewski might've had a bad arm. That's horseshit.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 9:50 PM
No it's not. MLB teams don't depend on the media because they can get the info directly - they don't need a secondhand report. Why would Krivsky start reading newspapers to find out if Majewski had a bad arm when Bowden told him Majewski was fine?

And look at Bowden's response - it's carefully worded. He doesn't state directly on the issue. He says "I don't think they feel that way". He says "We supply every documentation that's ever ASKED on every single player."

He doesn't come out and say "We supplied them with the information". He makes a blanket statement and uses the word "ASKED" despite MLB rules requiring him to disclose medical information regardless if the other teams asks for it or not.

Bowden's a liar. He still feels slighted by the Reds (despite being the one who destroyed the Reds once pround farm system and winning ways) and tried to cheat them. He just got caught. MLB will take care of this. It's possible, although unlikely, they'll reverse the trade. It'll probably be a fine.

By Will, at 8/08/2006 9:58 PM
Again, he said there was NO WAY of them knowing. That's not true. And if he's not scouring for every resource he can, he's not doing his job. Do you suppose that he just sat back at the trading deadline without reading info from newspapers? No business relies solely on their competitor's word. They research things themselves to give them an edge.

Again, if Bowden and his staff withheld medical information, then he's in the wrong. But I've seen no direct confirmation of that.

Interestingly, the Enquirer article has removed ALL REFERENCES to Kremchek saying that Majewski was under a gag order -- which was a laughable assertion in the first place.

I'm not sure that I'd take Kremchek's word over Bowden's at this point, especially given both their histories.

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 10:09 PM
Just get ready for a fine...

By Will, at 8/08/2006 10:12 PM
Hey, as long as it doesn't increase the price of my season tickets, i'll be fine. ;)

I know it's frustrating, and Bowden's an AHole. I can't disagree with you there.

Check out Federal Baseball's take. He has a VERY interesting point about some of Kremchek's other comments, and what that could mean in terms of recourse.

I won't steal his thunder, but he's saying that Kremchek says they'd have likely gone ahead with the trade anyway. So where's the damage?

By Chris Needham, at 8/08/2006 10:15 PM
Re-read what Krapchek said. What Krapchek was saying was that if the Reds requested a MRI, the injury wouldn't have shown up and the trade still goes through. The only way for the Reds to know of this injury was from the Nats - who lied.

No way the trade goes through if the Reds knew of the injury.

By Will, at 8/08/2006 10:32 PM
If the Reds had an MRI showing injury, and the Reds still did the trade (actually, I'm not sure they'd even be allowed to, depending on the extent of the injury), I think it would have been used as leverage for the Reds to get more out of the deal.

Personally, I think the dumbest move out of all of this is not making the trade--I think it's the Reds not giving Majewski time to rest (to compensate for the abuse he's endured the last year-and-a-half). Unfortunately, the Reds' bullpen was so bad at the time that they couldn't afford to wait.

By camisadelgolf, at 8/09/2006 12:47 PM
What I wonder, and it's something that Federal Baseball raises in the post I link on the otehr thread, is how things would turn out if they had just given Majewski another shot.

It's still unclear when the initial shot was given. If it was before that long scoreless streak, and it's not structural (as Kremchek has said), then there's no reason you can't numb him up and throw him back out there.

That being said, there seem to be enough arms in that pen now that missing Majewski for 2 weeks or so probably isn't going to be a huge deal, even if it's not the ideal situation.

By Chris Needham, at 8/09/2006 12:51 PM
I will always remember the line that Pokey Reese had about Jim Bowden.
"If his lips are moving, then he's lying."

Perhaps the Reds are guilty of not checking into it enough. But there is something wrong with Kremchek being part of both teams.

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