Friday, November 19, 2004

Free Juan Rivera--Update: Free! Juan Rivera!

The Nationals and Angels have called a press conference to announce a trade. It's probably safe to say that Jose Guillen is on his way to DC.

Sigh.

It's not that Guillen's a bad player. After the early damage of being brought up about 3 years before he should have--while losing valuable developmental time--he's been pretty useful the last few years. (Attitude trouble, excepting)

It's just that Juan Rivera is a not-all-that dissimilar player and he's much cheaper--and doesn't cost anything in terms of players. Oh well.

I'll have more later when we find out how much we're gonna pay.

UPDATE-- Ken Rosenthal says it's for Rivera AND a prospect.

It's too bad that JimBo is running the offices out of Florida, because I'd probably make a side trip to RFK on the way home to ram that trailer that serves as their offices with my car.

UPDATE 2--Apparently it's Macier Izturis.

With Guzman in the fold for the next 4 years, Izturis was expendable. He really wasn't much of a hitter in the minors and definitely isn't anyone to lose tooooo much sleep over. I'd assume this means Larkin's a lock to be the back-up on the team now.

13 Comments:

  • Good lord. Are they TRYING to become the Devil Rays?

    By Blogger Randolph, at 11/19/2004 2:50 PM  

  • This is just terrible. Bowden can't get fired soon enough. I feel like a Pirates fan or something.

    By Blogger Ryan, at 11/19/2004 2:56 PM  

  • Ahhh! The sweet feeling of sickness, misery, and disappointment that makes us love this sport so much!

    This really is a sport defined by pain.

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 11/19/2004 2:57 PM  

  • Actually, that's a much better analogy. We don't have anywhere near the young talent that the D-Rays do.

    By Blogger Randolph, at 11/19/2004 3:02 PM  

  • Anyone else glad they didn't lay out the 300 non-refundable dollars for tickets yet? :)

    65-97 here we come!

    By Blogger Chris Needham, at 11/19/2004 3:09 PM  

  • Chris Kahrl from Baseball Prospectus: "And now, in one day, I went from someone willing to put together a package of four seats with a few friends and associates to cover the whole season to someone who's suggesting that maybe we should settle for 30-40 games now that we're condemned to witness the fruits of such overactive moronics." And that was before this trade.

    By Blogger Ryan, at 11/19/2004 3:11 PM  

  • It's... remarkable.

    I'm... Puzzled.

    I'd really like to know what's the "tought process" behind that.

    And Robinson hasn't even begun to hammer you guys with his "creatives" lineup constructions.

    Man, at least the Nordiques traded for Patrick Roy and won the stanley cup when they went to Colorado... This is so sad.

    By Blogger Olivier, at 11/19/2004 3:32 PM  

  • I'm angry. And not amused. That guy talking about ticket package interest was dead on. Me and my buddies have some email discussions going about how to handle 4 season tix, but at this rate, we're looking at something more like a 1/2 or 1/3 season package.

    http://baseballwiseguys.blogspot.com/

    By Blogger Knuckles, at 11/19/2004 4:31 PM  

  • Dear Mr. Bowden (from a concerned fan),


    pitcher, def.

    4: the position on a baseball team of the player who throws the ball for a batter to try to hit; "he has played every position except pitcher"; "they have a southpaw on the mound"

    By Blogger Bijan C. Bayne, at 11/19/2004 5:28 PM  

  • my take: it was a good move. we're getting guillen for much less than he's worth if not for that late-season run-in w/ iron mike scoscia.

    frankly, this guy's the best hitter we've got, and i'm glad bowden took the risk. hell, at least guillen can actually hit, unlike castilla and guzman.

    thanks,
    j

    By Blogger mr. irrelevant, at 11/19/2004 6:20 PM  

  • I'd understand the anger and/or concerns if Rivera was, say, 22 or 23 years old. But he's only 2 years younger than Guillen and hasn't done nearly as much. (Calling someone a "not-all-that-dissimilar player" is an indirect way of saying "not as good.") Bowden didn't exactly trade our version of B.J. Upton for Guillen -- he traded a decent outfielder with good skills for a player has had several productive years and who is entering the prime of his career. Now, if he turns out to a knucklehead, that's bad. But the trade isn't.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11/20/2004 8:46 AM  

  • 1) Those two years matter. Guillen will be on his downside in two years; Rivera will still be in his prime.

    2) Rivera is much, much cheaper.

    3) Rivera's just as good RIGHT NOW, and his prospects for long term success and growth are better.

    Look at the numbers last year:
    Rivera: .307/.364/.465 with 12 HR, 24 2B and a BB:K of 34:45 in 391 AB.
    Guillen: .294/.352/.497, with 27 HR, 28 2B and a BB:K of 37:92 in 565 AB.

    Rivera has slightly less power, but that's likely to grow over the next few years; he has much better plate discipline, which suggests continued growth and improvement as well as greater consistency and on-base ability, he's cheap, and he's not a head case.

    I don't think it will be a disaster in terms of on-field performance next year (although I'd be willing to bet that, given equal playing time Rivera will be equally valuable, and the possibility of Guillen's attitude becoming a problem doesn't reassure me much), but for the medium term prospects of the Washingtons over the next 3-5 years this is a terrible, terrible deal.

    Bowden must go.

    And, just to hammer the point home, Rotoworld just posted this reassuring rumor:

    "The Mets will have interest if the Expos make Nick Johnson available, the New York Daily News reports.
    Well, duh. It'd be an awful move for the Expos/Nationals to part with Johnson while his value is at its lowest, but GM Jim Bowden is interested in making a splash, not building a team for the long term. It's possible -- though still quite unlikely -- that the Expos will deal Johnson for pitching and go with Brad Wilkerson at first, leaving room in the outfield for both Endy Chavez and Terrmel Sledge. If it happens, the Nationals will be the early favorites to have the worst OBP in baseball. Nov. 20 - 4:52 am et
    Source: New York Daily News"

    By Blogger Randolph, at 11/20/2004 9:47 AM  

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