CHEAP!!!!Watch: City Under Seige, Part IXVCLIII
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Note: Mike Bacsik is 30.
(how the hell is he only 30? Doesn't he look like he's about 45?)
Tim Redding turns 30 in a few weeks.
Here's what I figure the starting pitcher depth chart looks like. There's not point in picking a 5-man rotation because teams don't use just 5 starters. You need, typically 10 or so to get through a season. The Nats used 13 last year, 12 in 06 and 15 in 07.
Patterson
Hill
Bergmannnnnn
Redding
Chico
Clippard
Lannan
Colon Battlestar
Detwiler
En. Gonzalez
Hanrahan
Mock
Walter Johnson's Corpse
Bacsik
While the list is a bit younger than last year's set, it certainly doesn't seem as deep, especially as former unknowns such as Hanrahan (whose future surely has to lie in the pen) became knowns. The team hasn't yet dug up the Simontacchi/Jerome Williams-type warm bodies who, even if they both ended up sucking, ate up some innings, and at least deluded us into imagining a scenario with a sub-5 ERA.
With the move from RFK to a park that even if it's neutral is going to represent a dramatic increase in runs allowed (my quick and dirty look, which I might expand on later shows that a neutral park would yield, on average, almost 2 more runs per game, split between the offense and defense), the soft underbelly of the pitching staff is going to be exposed like an armadillo after a spinal fusion.
The idea that the team can't find a spot for one of the scrapheap pitchers left on the wire, someone whose sole purpose is to be cannon fodder, eating those innings when Hill breaks down before the team's forced to turn to The Big Train's corpse or (worse) Bacsik, is pretty silly. I've held my tongue on the lack of movement because I know the team's a strong believer in trying to wait the market out, but if they're not going to make a movement towards any of them??
Here's a list (probably not exhaustive) of who's left. Yes, they all suck. But they should be cheap. I'm not expecting them to give Kyle Lohse the 4-year deal he wants. That'd be stupid. But it'd make sense to throw a 1-year deal to Jeff Weaver or Kris Benson. See if you can get the aging, soft-stool-tossing Livan Hernandez on a cheap deal, two years, maybe... Freddy Garcia's injured for a while, but see if he'll come on a 1+ an option deal. There are options, if they choose to explore them. Someone's going to take a 1/$5 MM or less contract. Someone's going to get desperate and sign the Tony Armas 1-year, $2 million contract (note to Bowden: don't sign Armas to the Armas contract).
Signing a vet isn't going to deprive the kids of their opportunities to pitch in the majors. It's just going to ensure that when we get to the bottom of that depth chart that we're not going to have to rush someone who really or add someone to the 40-man who doesn't quite have to be added yet. And if the vet flames out, who cares? Cut 'em and move on to the next stiff on the list. Anything to keep us away from the corpse... and Bacsik.
There are several free agent starting pitchers still on the market, but the Nationals are unlikely to pursue those targets, preferring to let a group of pitchers, most of whom are in their twenties, battle for five spots in the rotation.
Note: Mike Bacsik is 30.
(how the hell is he only 30? Doesn't he look like he's about 45?)
Tim Redding turns 30 in a few weeks.
Patterson
Hill
Bergmannnnnn
Redding
Chico
Clippard
Lannan
Colon Battlestar
Detwiler
En. Gonzalez
Hanrahan
Mock
Walter Johnson's Corpse
Bacsik
With the move from RFK to a park that even if it's neutral is going to represent a dramatic increase in runs allowed (my quick and dirty look, which I might expand on later shows that a neutral park would yield, on average, almost 2 more runs per game, split between the offense and defense), the soft underbelly of the pitching staff is going to be exposed like an armadillo after a spinal fusion.
The idea that the team can't find a spot for one of the scrapheap pitchers left on the wire, someone whose sole purpose is to be cannon fodder, eating those innings when Hill breaks down before the team's forced to turn to The Big Train's corpse or (worse) Bacsik, is pretty silly. I've held my tongue on the lack of movement because I know the team's a strong believer in trying to wait the market out, but if they're not going to make a movement towards any of them??
Here's a list (probably not exhaustive) of who's left. Yes, they all suck. But they should be cheap. I'm not expecting them to give Kyle Lohse the 4-year deal he wants. That'd be stupid. But it'd make sense to throw a 1-year deal to Jeff Weaver or Kris Benson. See if you can get the aging, soft-stool-tossing Livan Hernandez on a cheap deal, two years, maybe... Freddy Garcia's injured for a while, but see if he'll come on a 1+ an option deal. There are options, if they choose to explore them. Someone's going to take a 1/$5 MM or less contract. Someone's going to get desperate and sign the Tony Armas 1-year, $2 million contract (note to Bowden: don't sign Armas to the Armas contract).
Signing a vet isn't going to deprive the kids of their opportunities to pitch in the majors. It's just going to ensure that when we get to the bottom of that depth chart that we're not going to have to rush someone who really or add someone to the 40-man who doesn't quite have to be added yet. And if the vet flames out, who cares? Cut 'em and move on to the next stiff on the list. Anything to keep us away from the corpse... and Bacsik.
11 Comments:
The free agent pitchers left on the market are cheap and they suck. You said so yourself. The dregs like Bacsik currently on the Nats pitching roster are cheap and they suck. You said so yourself. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Really, what's the difference if one over-the-hill veteran eats a lot of mediocre innings all by himself, or those same innings are eaten to the same degree of mediocrity by a series of Bacsik clones? Really, what's the difference? Seriously, what's the difference here? What am I missing?
By An Briosca Mor, at 2/01/2008 12:11 AM
What you're missing is the chance to cheer the team back from a 3-0 or 5-0 deficit in the bottom of the first, as we so often did with Livo in '06.
And as we will even more often if we run Livo out to the mound in hitter-friendly (I think) Nats Park in '08.
By Anonymous, at 2/01/2008 9:00 AM
Weaver? WEAVER!!??!!
If that happens, I will be taking a rusty screwdriver and gouging out both my eyeballs, and then puncturing both eardrums so I don't have to see, or hear, any of his starts.
Run-on sentence? Meh, maybe.
By Anonymous, at 2/01/2008 9:28 AM
Section 138
The thing is that a veteran getting knocked around will not have his confidence damaged in the long run. It also gives you options, and that is what we've lacked in previous years.
By Unknown, at 2/01/2008 9:41 AM
Of this list, I'd say we go after Freddy Garcia. In 9 seasons, he's only had 2 with less than 200 IP (last year and 2000 - so there's no history of injuries with him). He posts decent enough numbers (career 4.07 ERA - better than anyone else on this list) and for the most part keeps his team in the game. If it comes down to whether we let Garcia start or Bacsik, that's a no-brainer.
And yes, I agree to a certain point with an briosca mor that along with Bacsik, most of these pitchers do suck. However, there's still a chance that one of these pitchers will have a good season (they've done it before). I can't say that there's any chance of Bacsik doing that.
By Anonymous, at 2/01/2008 10:09 AM
I'm not sure I'd be so quick to say Bacsik sucks and so do these guys and so we are talking about the same kind or degree of suck. The veteran guys on this list, most of them at least, have some track record of success and are trying to come back. They might end up sucking, but on the off chance they don't the Nats could stand to benefit. Bacsik sucks because he's Bacsik. It's a different kind of suck.
By Anonymous, at 2/01/2008 10:22 AM
Personally, if someone is going to suck on the mound while I'm at the new stadium this year, I'd rather it be a kid like Detwiler or Mock learning to pitch in the bigs with potential down the road than a washed up vet like Weaver.
At least that way I can fantasize that the sucking is only a temporary condiction.
By Anonymous, at 2/01/2008 10:32 AM
We need to take one more thing into account with Livo. He might hit .350 with 20 homers in the new park. Hey, he's better than Langerhans.
By Jamie Tallman, at 2/01/2008 10:32 AM
There's difference between "sucks" and "really sucks." So we should look at some of these guys who such suck.
By John O'Connor, at 2/01/2008 11:04 AM
exposed like an armadillo after a spinal fusion...
I just had to see that line one more time.
:-)
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