tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post5723959752250363607..comments2008-04-09T11:28:30.863-04:00Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-77194579735282258932008-04-09T11:28:00.000-04:002008-04-09T11:28:00.000-04:00

Can anyone find anything on Patterson's release on the Nationals mlb site?searching on 'John Patterson' reveals that on February 9, he threw 100 pain-free pitches. After that, nothing.Could this be another Ryan Churcg v Jim Bowden thing/

Neil Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-48761659652349266062008-03-24T14:29:00.000-04:002008-03-24T14:29:00.000-04:00

The only way that money played a role in the decision to dump Patterson was in the timing. Once the realization was made that his fastball would not be back any time soon (if at all) then it was a no-brainer to release him before the season started after ascertaining that no other team was going to trade for him. You're not cheap because you don't want to pay $637,500 just to prolong the

An Briosca Morhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06855174362787324401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-63112009622098573742008-03-24T12:05:00.000-04:002008-03-24T12:05:00.000-04:00

Wish I was wrong, but I have no doubt that money played a role in the move to dump Patterson. Patterson's active roster spot will be taken by a MLB minimum player, the Lerners wanted to avoid a situation where they were paying Patterson to sit on the DL and rehabbing (which the Nats felt was inevitable - and the primary reason for the move) and another pitcher at the MLB minimum when now they

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-88539345293898878772008-03-24T11:57:00.000-04:002008-03-24T11:57:00.000-04:00

I agree with that last part.But Lannan and Chico are?

Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-11167129262005230982008-03-24T11:56:00.000-04:002008-03-24T11:56:00.000-04:00

i agree with this move. make some room on the roster for lannan or chico or another young buck, J.Patts wasnt the piece that was going to propel the nats to a WS

facekdrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09464079643920365108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-89604169880983518932008-03-24T09:59:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:59:00.000-04:00

This move is two years too late for the Nats. JP could not stay healthy, and as previously posted would never pitch a full season again.

Nick Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-50207639862380763172008-03-24T09:56:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:56:00.000-04:00

I'm not sure I ever said I'd take him over Beckett, but if that's how you want to remember it, fine.Don't knock my mom's basement. The brownies are excellent.

Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-83185464795334567882008-03-24T09:54:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:54:00.000-04:00

Needham,Would you still take JP over Beckett? HahahahahaI guess this pretty much sums up why you're sitting in your Mom's basement blogging and not a major league GM.Thank you,WinWithZimm - proven right again.

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-39575396826371495802008-03-24T09:51:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:51:00.000-04:00

Skedeebs,Sorry, I can't claim credit for the Berroa scoop. DangerNat on Nationals Inquisition found it in the Kansas City star. Apparently part of the deal is that in exchange for Zincola, Kansas will give us Berroa plus part of his salary. I have no way of evaluating the veracity of this report other than to say that even Kansas City considers it a "rumor." I would suppose that the idea is

Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09823192003084691309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-80526340846823116932008-03-24T09:41:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:41:00.000-04:00

"Something must've happened behind the scenes that we don't, won't and can't know about."IF Patterson comes all the way back with the Rangers or another team and is a successful big-league pitcher again, we'll hear about it. He'll run his yap.That's a mighty big if though.

Carl the Big Foolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17586615594990914752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-30961125282025785332008-03-24T08:27:00.000-04:002008-03-24T08:27:00.000-04:00

Ray:Your first bullet is true.Your second bullet is the team's thinking. I'm saying they should have more patience.The third bullet is likely not true either, and I think we'll see that about mid-July...

Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-73686428653366984212008-03-24T08:25:00.000-04:002008-03-24T08:25:00.000-04:00

Why can't the reasons be just what they appear to be?- He's not come back fast engough for the Majors- They gave him as much time as they were willing.- The Nats are in an improved posistion re: pitchingWhat more is there?They figured cut him, because in their minds, he won't help the team now, we have a few real prospects for the future - and he won't hurt us down the road.Nobody should go

Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14787119256347117169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-571003284933968012008-03-23T21:52:00.000-04:002008-03-23T21:52:00.000-04:00

Michael-'Spin the suckiness'Right on. Truer words have never been spoken.Re: Patterson,I have no doubt that some poor cheesedick operation might take a gamble on him.But in all seriousness, how bad do you have to be to get CUT by the Nasties???He's gotta be done.....if his elbow is toast how does he get the curve back?? (That puts more stress on the arm than el numero uno)

Rob Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049610714885872963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-48521962494016118682008-03-23T21:03:00.000-04:002008-03-23T21:03:00.000-04:00

Astros are already sniffing around him. I'd be he signs there in the next few days.He may very well be done. Patterson has his 'out' pitch. It's his curve. It's that fastball that needs to come back. Nats are banking that it won't. (Even me, someone who's overly optimistic, didn't think it'd be back til mid-season at the earliest, so...)

Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-64772150346626200202008-03-23T20:59:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:59:00.000-04:00

Chris, get over it. Patty's done, kaput, cooked, a goner. I say he never makes another big league start. He's a career 18-game winner at age 30, with a dead arm. This whole "building arm strength" ruse was a pipedream built up by you and Barry. Power pitchers don't recover from two arm operations. The only successful ones who do are those who develop a different "out" pitch, sometimes a

friend of STANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-73648779622697754062008-03-23T20:50:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:50:00.000-04:00

I apparently locked on the Zinicola part before reading the rest. Angel Berroa would do no good. Never mind.

Skedeebshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07048223068323120438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-19063649657509623782008-03-23T20:47:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:47:00.000-04:00

Michael-Whoa, nice! Where did the Angel Berroa for Zech Zinicola come from? If you just made it up, it's still interesting, but did you see that proposed as possible somewhere?

Skedeebshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07048223068323120438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-50899501631208935302008-03-23T20:45:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:45:00.000-04:00

I wanted to comment on what Rob said after I realized I missed him. I'm also kinda miffed at the developmental aspect that Bowden mentioned as a consideration. It left me with two thoughts.1)Don't you need talent to develop it? From my understanding, Lannan et al. have been tagged as 4th, 5th starter material, yet we're using slots to "develop" them. Maybe the team sees untapped potential,

Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09823192003084691309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-89797068784355799122008-03-23T20:22:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:22:00.000-04:00

I completely agree on the cheap thing, Chris, but the level of cheap required to cut Patterson early just to save $600,000 would be extreme even for them, I think (or at least pray). If cost is the reason (as opposed to not wanting to spend for results they know will never improve), then we should abandon all hope now. In other news:Redding's got back! (spasms)while FLop may be heading to

Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09823192003084691309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-37069578454134751362008-03-23T20:11:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:11:00.000-04:00

The only possible explanation is that he's DONE done. I don't think this is a financial move, cuz like skedeebs said, how much are they really saving?We shoulda signed Livan, but we're at the point now where we need to play Detwiler, Clippard, Lannan, Mock, and whoever the fuck else might actually have a future here.....I'm just kinda pissed right now because I thought this is where we were

Rob Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09049610714885872963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-7497536168411090242008-03-23T19:57:00.000-04:002008-03-23T19:57:00.000-04:00

Eh... I'm not sure that what Barry said influenced my thinking.I still think it's too early to judge Patterson one way or another. Yes, the team knows more than I do about this, but that's why I think explanation 1 makes the most sense.I'm not sure why they'd think that someone's arm strength would never come back, given that he hasn't really thrown in two years. I can understand them not

Chris Needhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10455692848328638937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-33840966475445425102008-03-23T19:52:00.000-04:002008-03-23T19:52:00.000-04:00

Come on Chris, you are right about a lot of stuff (like the need for a defensive ace at SS) so just take it like a man, and admit you do not know anything about building arm strength and 30 year old pitchers who have no fastball after surgery. You seemed to just be taking the whole Barry dribble hook, line and sinker and got caught. (by the way so did Barry so that tells us something right?

Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8833096.post-66326005789017603182008-03-23T19:33:00.000-04:002008-03-23T19:33:00.000-04:00

They have to pay the $200K, but also the $400K for the scrub who replaces him instead of playing in AAA. Not much savings in the end.

Skedeebshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07048223068323120438noreply@blogger.com